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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2016.12.25 21:44:06 -
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The forum you're looking for is here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.01.05 17:17:15 -
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Since you can't run an alpha account on the same machine as another alpha or even omega account, you'd have to explain to me how you feel this is botting? Circumventing that limitation is indeed against the EULA and as such will result in bans but just running a single alpha account and running distribution missions (that's kinda bleh in terms of rewards to begin with) doesn't really seem like botting.
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.01.08 16:38:34 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:Muffinmixer wrote:Have you even looked at L4 distribution missions? They only make around 1000 LP in highsec with Alpha social skills. No salvage or loot or bounties with that.
That's nothing. thats 1000 LP with zero effort, every ~5 minutes. and of course it has to become a enormous problem before the incompetents at CCP will do anything about it.
I can make 14k LP and +- 10mill in 5min for very little effort. End of the day this isn't something that can be done en mass without circumventing the EULA and if they are then that means you have a valid complaint and should take your evidence to CCP that people are running multiple alpha clients at the same time.
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.01.09 19:20:26 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:Muffinmixer wrote:Have you even looked at L4 distribution missions? They only make around 1000 LP in highsec with Alpha social skills. No salvage or loot or bounties with that.
That's nothing. thats 1000 LP with zero effort, every ~5 minutes. and of course it has to become a enormous problem before the incompetents at CCP will do anything about it. I can make 14k LP and +- 10mill in 5min for very little effort. End of the day this isn't something that can be done en mass without circumventing the EULA and if they are then that means you have a valid complaint and should take your evidence to CCP that people are running multiple alpha clients at the same time. LOL. What a ridiculous moron you must be to make such a comparison. Running a bot takes zero effort other than setting up the bot initially. You can leave it on all day and night. Nobody is going to bother to go to the trouble of reporting every hauler they see on the possibility they might be using a bot . This isn't something the players should have to be responsible for cleaning up. The solutions are simple but CCP are just too unwilling and incompetent to figure it out.
So.. you don't actually have any proof is what I'm reading?
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.01.14 03:37:22 -
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So you don't have any proof? Just want to make sure I understand correctly.
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.01.14 09:05:37 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:So can I give up blitzing Burners and missions for this new income stream?
Sound like it. Will have to retire my guide it seems. Ah well it was good while it lasted. 
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.01.14 14:52:53 -
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Abyss Azizora wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Since you can't run an alpha account on the same machine as another alpha or even omega account, you'd have to explain to me how you feel this is botting? Circumventing that limitation is indeed against the EULA and as such will result in bans but just running a single alpha account and running distribution missions (that's kinda bleh in terms of rewards to begin with) doesn't really seem like botting. *cough* Virtual Machines *cough* Sandboxed clients *cough* Multiple PC's *cough* I could run around 25-30 alpha accounts at once if I really wanted to. Other people who actually WANT to do this can do even more. Also I don;t think bottling means what you think it means.
Well yea you could but how long till they IP ban you since you're straight up breaking the EULA?
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.01.14 14:58:36 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:Abyss Azizora wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Since you can't run an alpha account on the same machine as another alpha or even omega account, you'd have to explain to me how you feel this is botting? Circumventing that limitation is indeed against the EULA and as such will result in bans but just running a single alpha account and running distribution missions (that's kinda bleh in terms of rewards to begin with) doesn't really seem like botting. *cough* Virtual Machines *cough* Sandboxed clients *cough* Multiple PC's *cough* I could run around 25-30 alpha accounts at once if I really wanted to. Other people who actually WANT to do this can do even more. Also I don;t think bottling means what you think it means. ^ This. Abyss gets it.
You should totally do this and let us know how it goes, I bet you can make a killing! You should even put together a guide for us :)
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.01.14 15:49:10 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: The reason I created this thread was because I don't want people to be able to do this. Pretty funny how incredibly dumb you are. Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough?
Ah, so it's not possible then, good stuff.
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.01.14 16:12:10 -
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I think the irony of how accurately that applies here will fortunately not be lost on any of us, thank you for dredging that up.
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.03.22 06:52:10 -
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guigui lechat wrote:I'm just saying : making a distribution bot does not require much work and so the ratio LP/h/invested time is interesting, even though you think the sole LP/hour is bad.
When you farm, the ratio you consider is your ISK/played_hour ; when you create bot, the ratio is max_bot*ISK/bot_hour/dev_hour, because even if the sole ISK/hour is ten time worse, if you can launch 10 times more bots using it and it requires less dev time it's worth it.
you can easily script clicks on a window, the only issue is to know WHEN and WITCH click to perform - and for that you may need packet sniffing.
So this is a very valid concern IF we knew for a fact CCP wasn't blocking multiple alpha log ins from the same machine/IP. However as you can see by a simple and quick test, CCP does indeed block the ability to log in multiple alpha accounts or even a single alpha account if you have an Omega account running.
So to accomplish this 'simple' act of launching 10 alpha bots from the same location you will need a separate VPN for each one or a way to trick the client/CCP into thinking each log in is happening from a different IP and/or machine if they check the MAC address as well. Now where logging in multiple omega accounts is supported (and probably encouraged to be honest), it is actively blocked for alpha account so circumventing that would be a lot more complex and a much more direct violation of the EULA than the sometimes murky area of 'bots/macros/iskboxer' and as such probably much better policed.
So yea, I'm not saying it ain't happening, I'm saying until I see proof I don't see how it'd be feasible in the least. This thread is 3 months old and no proof.
I'm just saying.
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.03.24 09:59:25 -
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Ran into an interesting quote yesterday.
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
Apparently an English translation of a Latin proverb if Wikipedia is to be believed.
Still we do know that the Eve Client blocks the ability to log in multiple accounts if one of them is an alpha and we do know that CCP can detect multiple log ins on the same Machine ID and IP but that they do allow multiple log ins from the same IP within reason. They also have more or less relative omniscient knowledge of what goes on in their game judging by the financial data they post every month. I mean they're able to tell you down to the last isk how much is made and spent through LP for example.
To be fair it's all circumstantial evidence but it's better than what the op's been able to come up with. I'll give him props for sheer endurance although necroing a couple month old thread is a little desperate. Seems weird to be putting all this energy into it. But I won't judge people's hobbies, have a few weird ones myself 
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.03.24 11:12:33 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Since you can't run an alpha account on the same machine as another alpha or even omega account, you'd have to explain to me how you feel this is botting? Circumventing that limitation is indeed against the EULA and as such will result in bans but just running a single alpha account and running distribution missions (that's kinda bleh in terms of rewards to begin with) doesn't really seem like botting. maybe....switch bot on, go to work, come home, switch bot off and cash in lp and send to main, profit?
Yea I mean CCP won't be able to pick up on it being a bot at all.
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.03.24 12:43:32 -
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Quote:well if bots are an issue then clearly not
I mean, are they?
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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2017.03.27 07:40:20 -
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guigui lechat wrote:You're making a circular logic. Many things cannot be proven false or true, ESPECIALLY in mathematics which people consider to be the most logic science. So your sentence about what can be asserted without proof is false ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems ). I don't think the alpha bots are a problem at the moment, it does not mean I could learn from his point.
Oh I agree, it's definitely not a catch all statement. Particularly in the sciences and maths when it comes to theorems and the like. Then again they do strive to find and present proofs of thier theorems or in some way show that what they think is true, is actually true.
But in an online space pixel game at least some kind of indication that a)There is a bot problem b)CCP is unaware of it/not doing anything about it c)How to get past the more than one alpha per PC problem d)any change in the market isn't a result of burners, incursions, or FW is needed to take an accusation of this kind seriously.
To be clear the only thing that's needed is some kind of proof that there is a problem. That's what's needed to take this to CCP and have them seriously look at it. But all we get when we ask for proof is name calling and personal attacks. Still, it's amusing to watch the flailing.
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